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  20 minutes....

  by Scully in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a jw i used to know died recently.

  she was almost exactly the same age as me - we were born just days apart.

  she had battled cancer for almost a decade.

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  Vernon Williams

  Scully,

  I lost my little sister to colon cancer when she was thirty seven. Per my Mom's request I gave the talk at her funeral...I still still a JW, then....did the best I could. I wish, for all of us, things had, were different. Empathy.....

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  '..simply for a contribution to cover the printing cost of the magazines...

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  do you remember when we used to ask for a 'contribution that covers the printing cost' for the mags?.

  was that ever the real cost of printing the mags?

  afterall, we had to pay for the wretched things when we collected them, so was the wt society already making a profit from us foolish sheep which we then tried to recoup from the unsuspecting public.. were we conned?

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  Vernon Williams

  Passive,

  A person is either going in a straight line or going in circles.

  A straight line requires two points....same with "charting a course."

  If you know where you started and where you are: you have two points.

  If you know your present location and where your goal is: you have two points.

  You were with the WT and now you are here: that is a straight line of escape.

  Now, you need to figure out where you WANT to be, draw the line, chart the course, and go "full sail."

  Yours in this Journey,

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  '..simply for a contribution to cover the printing cost of the magazines...

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  do you remember when we used to ask for a 'contribution that covers the printing cost' for the mags?.

  was that ever the real cost of printing the mags?

  afterall, we had to pay for the wretched things when we collected them, so was the wt society already making a profit from us foolish sheep which we then tried to recoup from the unsuspecting public.. were we conned?

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  Vernon Williams

  This is the reason I tell people I did not attend "worship services" but, I attended Business Meetings for thirty plus years.

  The WT is in the BUSINESS of selling the "Kingdom Message" as they view it. This is a BUSINESS model (as some other post mentioned) and the interactions of the sales force and the way it is managed is comparable to a paranoid, out of touch business enviroment: on acid and filled with sexual frustration, petty jelousy, and back stabing political manuvering.

  Once you understand that: well, with a bit of dementia added, and. it ALL makes sense.

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  '..simply for a contribution to cover the printing cost of the magazines...

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  do you remember when we used to ask for a 'contribution that covers the printing cost' for the mags?.

  was that ever the real cost of printing the mags?

  afterall, we had to pay for the wretched things when we collected them, so was the wt society already making a profit from us foolish sheep which we then tried to recoup from the unsuspecting public.. were we conned?

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  Vernon Williams

  Hey guys,

  Here is the link: press on "printroom conversion" down about four or five paragraphs. Note the costs of all the press runs down at the bottom of the report.

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/wtpress1.htm

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  '..simply for a contribution to cover the printing cost of the magazines...

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  do you remember when we used to ask for a 'contribution that covers the printing cost' for the mags?.

  was that ever the real cost of printing the mags?

  afterall, we had to pay for the wretched things when we collected them, so was the wt society already making a profit from us foolish sheep which we then tried to recoup from the unsuspecting public.. were we conned?

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  Mid,

  Here is another point: After Tom was booted, he checked with a large printer and found a commercial printer, making a profit, and paying all the overhead could produce the WT mag CHEAPER than the Society.

  Go figure......

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  JWs and Love towards their families

  by R.F. in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is something that just popped in my mind suddenly.. but i was thinking about over the years the many comments of jws about loved ones.

  for instance, one sister was speaking of her disgust with her children not accepting the "truth".

  she gladly tells anyone of what she told them; that if they don't accept it before armageddon that it's too bad.

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  I got home late ,again, and am here looking over the posts: kind of mezermizing, isn't it? A lot of times I feel like I am a medic at D-day: so much carnage....where do you start? It is a spiritual "Saving Private Ryan...." I am glad many, here, are better at tri-auge (SP?) than me. :-)

  Yes, the JWs miss a lot.....starting with simple reality.

  You can look at the pieces and weep or walk away not looking back...what to do?

  I shake my head at the waste.

  Need to go to bed....

  Several of us do (hint.)

  Tommorrow is one day further from the sadness IF we set it down and do not drag it with us.

  Take care,

  Yours in this Struggle,

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  '..simply for a contribution to cover the printing cost of the magazines...

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  do you remember when we used to ask for a 'contribution that covers the printing cost' for the mags?.

  was that ever the real cost of printing the mags?

  afterall, we had to pay for the wretched things when we collected them, so was the wt society already making a profit from us foolish sheep which we then tried to recoup from the unsuspecting public.. were we conned?

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  Vernon Williams

  OK: my anger level just spiked when I read the heading on the thread: here is the story:

  (Tom C. is a former Bethal Printing Overseer)

  I am visiting my buddy, Tom Cabeen, at his home in CT. We are setting in his living room and he is telling a story about this or that and he mentions the cost of the mags costing three and a half cents to produce in the early eighties....it was just a tid-bit fact to Tom....that was not the story....he goes on...

  I sat up straight and said "Whoa...wait a minute: the mags cost HOW MUCH???"

  Tom said three and a half cents.

  I said we were placing them for a quarter and that was to cover the cost of printing.

  Tom says it did cover the cost of printing.

  I am getting torqued: But, Tom, it is a PROFIT of twenty one and a half cents.

  Vernon, he asks, if you knew the cost was three and a half cents what would you have charged for the mag?

  I thought: a nickle.

  Vernon, Tom goes on, how much did you cong. send into the Society each month?

  Couple of hundred bucks.

  Tom asks: How does the Society buy the most expensive property in Brooklyn with a couple of hundred bucks? They don't. They pay millions in cash: where does that money come from? From twenty one and a half cents times 4 copies a month times 10,000,000 copies each times 12 months. And, that does not cover the profit from Bibles, books, brochures, and other odds and ends. Vernon, it is the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society INCORPERATED. It is a BUSINESS. The BUSINESS is printing and the reason a BUSINESS exists is to project itself into the future based on PROFITS.

  (Guys: I was so angry at that momment I could have spit nails. This topic still (curse word ahead, again....) pisses me off to the point I want to just....I don't know what......)

  But, I go on, talking to Tom, What about the little scribbled notes in the WT where the little girl sends in her milk money...I mean this little girl went without her milk and she gives it to the Society? Why don't they send back little Suzy's money and tell her to buy the playmate with no shoes or bad shoes a pair of shoes as the Society is rolling in money?

  Tom smiles: We don't want to mess up appearances do we, Vernon?

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  So, that is the story, folks. Happened four years ago. This Society is awash in money...money to the gills. And, here is the REAL (curse word ahead, again....sorry....) PISSER: These hypacritcal pieces of Spiritual Fecal Matter have the gall to say they do not pass a COLLECTION PLATE!!!

  Well of course not: they have a guranteed market, a free distribution system (via our cars and feet when we were "in field service"), free laber.....and they are lying their proverbial powdered bottoms off about the whole scheme.

  Liers. Liers. Decievers.

  Done ranting....almost two in the morning.....

  Yours in this swamp of reality,

  V PS: I think a broke a rule or two listed below: Amends: I will try to do better.....
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  Intelligence of Witness Material

  by choosing life in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i started attending the meetings, i was in college.

  i would use any excuse i could to get out of the watchtower study.

  i couldn't believe they wanted me to read the article at home and underline the answers and then i had to sit and listen to them read it aloud again and give the same exact answers they underlined in the magazine.

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  I have not read the thread, yet: off to work at the hatchery and dreading it.....

  I thought the JWs were well educated when I was in. I was mixing up "time spent" and "things learned." I was duped.

  For the past five years, I have began to read a variety of books on religion, theology, and history.

  Here is the conclusion: The JWs are (curse word ahead....wanring) so damned illiterate and illogical that it is a comedy. Flat lined......

  The level of education presented: it would bore an intelligent eigth grader. It is so, so dumbed down. It had been a couple of years since I had picked up a WT mag and, then, found one in a doctors office. I could not believe I had EVER been impressed with this drivel....honestly, I felt stupid just reading it and, then, realizing I had presented this kind of trash to the public: gag me!

  My take,

  Off to work: I know, ahead of time, I am going to blamed for a breakdown that is not my fault...love days like this. The first rule of the poultry industry is this: "Who are we going to blame?" After that is answered all goes well.

  Wishing you all a good day,

  Yours in this Journey,

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  What do I do?

  by Miss 8572 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  if any of you have read my first post you know where i am right now... just a re-cap.

  i really hate alot of what my witness friends think and do and say and i'm on my way out.

  my best friend who i went everywhere with disassociated me.

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  jwfacts is correct, if the lives of many are a witness: your life will be richer in relationships than it ever was as a JW. This phase is a part of the lancing of a very infected boil. That will cause a small scare that will fade to the point it is noticed by no one: including you! Keep up the good fight. Do the best you can. Discomfort is always a part of growth and Journey.

  Yours in this Struggle,

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  June 12th is tomorrow, are you ready for armageddon?

  by dawg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  isn't tomorrow armageddon?

  i think i'll sleep late just in case... an elder called my friends house and said that armageddon was almost certain to come this year; an urban myth stated that it would be tomorrow.

  i guess i'll wait to make that car payment.

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  When it happens, I would like to be in a group of JWs: to see the surprise on thier faces that it did not go down as expected!

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